ഇദം പ്രഥമമായി നടത്തിയ ക്നാനായ മങ്ക മത്സരത്തില്‍ മേരി സിറില്‍ വിജയി ആയി. ഇന്നും കണ്വെന്ഷന് ജനപങ്കാളിത്തം കൊണ്ട് വന്‍ വിജയം ആയിരുന്നു. കലാകായികമത്സരം വീറും വാശിയും അതിന്റെ ഉച്ചത്തില്‍ എത്തിച്ചു. ആവേശകരമായ പുരുഷവടംവലി മത്സരത്തില്‍ ന്യൂയോര്‍ക്ക്‌ ഒന്നാം സ്ഥാനത്തെത്തി. ചിരിയരങ്ങ് പുരോഗമിക്കുന്നു.
കഴിഞ്ഞ കാലങ്ങളില്‍ നിന്നും വ്യത്യസ്തമായി സൌണ്ട് സിസ്റ്റം അതിമനോഹരമായിരുന്നു. പലപ്പോഴും പരാതി ഉയര്‍ന്നു കേള്‍ക്കുന്ന ഭക്ഷണവിഭാഗം ഉന്നതനിലവാരം പുലര്‍ത്തുന്നു. മത്സരങ്ങള്‍ ഓരോന്ന് നടക്കുമ്പോഴും നാളെ നടക്കാനിരിക്കുന്ന സിമ്പോസിയമാണ് എല്ലാവരും ആകാംഷയോടെ കാത്തിരിക്കുന്നത്. ബഹുഭൂരിപക്ഷം പങ്കാളികളുടെ ഇടയിലും ഈ കണ്വെന്ഷന് പൂര്‍ണമായും ബഹിഷ്കരിച്ച കോട്ടയം പിതാക്കന്മാരെ ഇനിയുള്ള ഭാവി കണ്‍വെന്‍ഷന്‍വേദികളില്‍ പങ്കെടുപ്പിക്കേണ്ട എന്ന അഭിപ്രായം രൂപപ്പെട്ടു വരുന്നതായി കാണുന്നു. നാളെ നടക്കുന്ന സിമ്പോസിയത്തില്‍ ആരെങ്കിലും അത് പരാമര്‍ശിക്കുമോ എന്ന ഭീതിയില്‍ പിതാക്കന്മാരും അവരുടെ ശിങ്കിടികളും ആകാംഷയോടെ നോക്കി നില്‍ക്കുന്നു. അങ്ങനെ വന്നാല്‍ അത് കെ.സി.സി.എന്‍.എയുടെ ഭാവി പ്രവര്‍ത്തനത്തില്‍ വൈദികരുടെ നേതൃത്വം ഭാവിയില്‍ ചോദ്യം ചെയ്യപ്പെട്ടേക്കാം
അതുപോലെ മിഷന്‍ പ്രവര്‍ത്തനങ്ങളില്‍ അല്‍മായപിന്തുണ നഷ്ടപ്പെട്ടേക്കാം. അതൊക്കെ ചരിത്രത്തില്‍ വലിയ മാറ്റങ്ങള്‍ക്കു വഴി തുറക്കാം. ഈ മാറ്റം മറ്റു രാജ്യങ്ങളിലെ പരിപാടികളില്‍ നിന്നും നമ്മുടെ പിതാക്കന്മാരെ മാറ്റി നിര്‍ത്തപ്പെടുമോ? കാണാന്‍ പോകുന്ന പൂരം പറയണോ? കാണുക അത്ര തന്നെ. ഇത്രയ്ക്ക് വാശിയും വേണ്ടിയിരുന്നോ എന്ന് അധികാരികള്‍ ഓര്‍ത്തിരുന്നെങ്കില്‍!
കണ്വെന്ഷന് കൂടുവാന്‍ വരാതെ ഇരുന്നവര്‍ ലൈവ് ആയി പ്രോഗ്രാം കണ്ടു സായൂജ്യം അടയേണ്ടി വന്നു. ഇന്നലെ തന്നെ ഏതാണ്ട് 35000-ത്തിനു മുകളില്‍ കാഴ്ച്ചക്കാരുണ്ടായി എന്നത് ഈ സത്യം പുറത്തു പറയുന്നു. എന്തിനു വേണ്ടി ആര്‍ക്കു വേണ്ടി ആരെ തോല്പ്പിക്കുവാനായിരുന്നു ഈ കണ്വെന്ഷന് ബഹിഷ്കരിക്കുവാന്‍ ചരട് വലിച്ചവര്‍ ശ്രമിച്ചത്‌? അവരും മലര്‍ന്നു കിടന്നു തുപ്പുകയല്ലേ ചെയ്തത്? അല്ല അതിലും ദോഷം അല്ലെ ചെയ്തത്? ഇന്നത്തെ പ്രസിഡന്റ്‌ മാറും അടുത്ത ആള് വരും പക്ഷെ എലിയെ പേടിച്ചു ഇല്ലം ചുടുവാന്‍ നോക്കിയത് നീതിക്ക് നിരക്കുന്നതാണോ?
നിങ്ങളില്‍ ചിലര്‍ കണ്വെന്ഷന് കൂടുകയും പാവം വിശ്വാസികളെ മാറ്റി നിറുത്തുവാന്‍ നിങ്ങള്‍ വിജയിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തു. അപ്പോള്‍ തോല്‍വി ആര്‍ക്ക് എന്ന് വിലയിരുത്തൂ.
കണ്വെന്ഷന് ഗ്രൗണ്ടില്‍ നിന്നും കറിയകുട്ടി
വെറുതെ പിതാക്കന്മാരുടെ കുറ്റം രാവിലെയും വൈകുന്നേരവും എഴുതി പ്രാക്കു വാങ്ങിക്കല്ലേ കുഞ്ഞുങ്ങളെ.
ReplyDeleteപിതാക്കന്മാര്ക്ക് നിങ്ങളോട് ഒരു പിണക്കവും ഇല്ല. അവരെ നിങ്ങള്‍ മനസ്സിലാക്കുന്നില്ല എന്ന് മാത്രം. ഇത്രയും നാളും, ഒരിക്കല്‍ പോലും മുടങ്ങാതെ കണ്വെന്ഷന് കൂടാന്‍ വന്നില്ലേ? എന്തെങ്കിലും ഒടക്ക് പറഞ്ഞോ? ഒഴിവുകഴിവുകള്‍ എന്തെല്ലാം പറയാമായിരുന്നു! ഒരക്ഷരം മിണ്ടാതെ, നിങ്ങള്‍ പറഞ്ഞപ്പം പറഞ്ഞെടത് വന്നില്ലേ. പിന്നെ ഇത്തവണ എന്തുകൊണ്ട് വന്നില്ല? നിങ്ങള്‍ തന്നെ ഒന്നാലോചിച്ചു നോക്കണം.
ഇത്രയുംനാള്‍ പ്രസിഡന്റ്‌ ആയവരൊക്കെ മാനംമാര്യാദ ഉള്ളവരായിരുന്നു; നന്ദി ഉള്ളവരായിരുന്നു. പിതാക്കന്മാര്‍ എന്നൊക്കെ പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ സ്വന്തം തന്തയെക്കാള്‍ കാര്യമായിരുന്നു. അവര്‍ സ്നേഹത്തോടെ വിളിച്ചു, സല്ക്കകരിച്ചു; പോകാന്‍ നേരത്ത് കിഴി തന്നു.
ഇത്തവണത്തെ പ്രസിഡന്റ്‌ ആള് ശരിയല്ലെന്ന് നിങ്ങള്ക്കെല്ലാം അറിയാമല്ലോ. കണ്ടാല്‍ തന്നെ ഒരു കള്ളലക്ഷണമാ. എങ്ങാനും അച്ചനാകാന്‍ പോയിരുന്നെങ്കില്‍ കര്ദ്ദിനാളെങ്കിലും ആയേനെ. അവന്‍ വിളിച്ചപ്പോള്‍ വരണമെന്ന് തോന്നിയതാണ്. പക്ഷെ കഷ്ടപ്പെട്ട് വന്നു ഓര്ലാ്ന്ഡോയിലെ വെയില് മുഴവന്‍ കൊണ്ട് പോകാന്‍ നേരം, ആ ചെറുക്കന്‍ നെറ്റിയേല്‍ ഗോപി വരച്ചു കാണിക്കും! നീചനാണവന്‍. നിങ്ങള്‍ തന്നെ അവനോടോന്നു ചോദിച്ചു നോക്കണം – പത്തു പൈസ കൊടുക്കാമെന്നു പറഞ്ഞായിരുന്നോ എന്ന്. അടുത്ത തവണ കുറച്ചുകൂടി മാനംമാര്യാദ ഉള്ള ഒരുത്തനെ തെരഞ്ഞെടുക്കു. ഞങ്ങള്‍ വരാം. കോട്ടയത്തെ അരപ്പട്ട കെട്ടിയവരെല്ലാം വന്നു കേടു തീര്ക്കാം പോരെ? (ആ വെള്ളിയാനെ കൊണ്ടുവരാന്‍ മാത്രം പറയല്ലേ!)
ഓരോ അസൂയക്കാര് അതുമിതും ഒക്കെ പറയും. ഒരുത്തന്‍ പറയുന്നതുകേട്ടു, സൗത്ത്‌ ഇന്ത്യന്‍ ബാങ്കില്‍ മാത്രം 336 കോടി രൂപ കോട്ടയം അരമനയുടെ വക കിടപ്പുണ്ടെന്നു. അതുമുഴുവന്‍ എടുത്തു വക്കീലന്മാര്ക്ക് കൊടുക്കണമെന്നാണോ പറയുന്നത്. എന്ത് വിഷമിച്ചാണ് കാശുണ്ടാക്കുന്നതെന്ന് നിങ്ങള്‍ ആരെങ്കിലും അറിയുന്നുണ്ടോ. കല്ലറയില്‍ ആ തട്ടിപ്പുകാരന്‍ പെരുന്നാള്‍ നടത്തിയപ്പോള്‍, അത്യാര്ഭാ‍ടടാക്സ്‌ വേണമെന്ന് പറഞ്ഞു കരഞ്ഞിട്ടാ പതിനഞ്ച് ലക്ഷം ഉലുവാ അവന്‍ കൊടുത്തത്. കോടികള്‍ തട്ടിയവന് പോലും പള്ളിക്ക് പത്തു പൈസ കൊടുക്കാന്‍ സന്തോഷമില്ല.
അപ്പോള്‍, സന്തോഷമായി കാശെടുത്തു വീശുക, തിരുമേനിമാര്‍ വരും, നിങ്ങളെ അനുഗ്രഹിക്കും.
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"ദ്രാവിഡ വർഗത്തിന്റെ ഈ പൊങ്ങച്ചം എന്നാണ് അവസാനിക്കുക!!"Anonymous
ReplyDeleteഇത് വരെ ഈ അനോണി പറഞ്ഞത് കൊള്ളാം. പക്ഷെ ഈ പറഞ്ഞത് മോശമായിപ്പോയി. അങ്ങ് ഏത് ഉന്നത കുലത്തിലും വര്‍ഗത്തിലും പിറന്നവന്‍ ആണാവോ.? ഇപ്പഴും ജാതി പറയുന്ന അല്പത്തം വിട്ടു പോയിട്ടില്ല അല്ലെ. അതിനെങ്ങിനെയാ കുലീനത്തം വേണ്ടേ. മോഹന്‍ലാല്‍ പറഞ്ഞ ഒരു ഡയലോഗ് ഈ അനോനിമിക്ക് വേണ്ടി ക്വോട് ചെയ്യട്ടെ. നീ ഏത് നിലയില്‍ ആയാലും നിന്റെ എച്ചിത്തരം നിന്നെ വിട്ടു പോവില്ല. കുറച്ചു നരവംശ ശാസ്ത്രം പഠിക്ക് മാഷെ. ആഫ്രിക്കയിലെ ഏതോ കുരങ്ങില്‍ നിന്നും ഉണ്ടായ കുറെ ജീവികള്‍ ലോകത്തുവ്യപിച്ചു മനുഷ്യര്‍ എന്ന് പറയുന്ന ഈ വര്‍ഗത്തിന് എന്ത് വ്യത്യാസം ആണ് ഉള്ളത്. നിന്റെ രക്തത്തില്‍ ദ്രാവിഡ രക്തം ഇല്ലേ. ലക്ഷക്കണക്കിന്‌ വര്ഷം മുന്‍പ് ആഫ്രിക്കയില്‍ ജീവിച്ചിരുന്ന ഒരു niandratthal സ്ത്രീയുടെ DNA യും ലോകത്ത് എല്ലാ വരഗത്തില്‍ പെട്ടവരുടെ DNA യും തമ്മില്‍ കലര്‍ന്നിട്ടുണ്ട് എന്ന് പറയുമ്പോള്‍ ദ്രവിടന്റെയും അല്ലാത്തവന്റെയും വ്യത്യാസം എന്താണ് കണ്ണാ. ഇത്തിരി കൂടി അങ്ങയെ പോലുള്ളവര്‍ മനസ്സുകൊണ്ട് വളരാന്‍ ഇനിയും എത്ര വളരണം?.
വെള്ളക്കുരങ്ങന്മ്മാരും കരിങ്കുരങ്ങന്മാരും തമ്മില്‍ വംശീയ മേന്മയെ കുറിച്ചുള്ള ഒരു സംവാദം.
വെള്ളക്കുരങ്ങന്മ്മാര്‍ ഞങ്ങള്‍ ഉണ്ടായിട്ടും ഈ കാട്ടില്‍ വന്നിട്ടും ഈ കൂട്ടം ഉണ്ടാക്കിയിട്ടും 100000 വര്‍ഷങ്ങള്‍ ആയി .
കരിങ്ങ്കുരങ്ങന്മാര്‍ ഞങ്ങള്‍ വന്നിട്ടും ഈ കാട്ടില്‍ വന്നിട്ടും കൂട്ടം ഉണ്ടാക്കിയിട്ടും 110000 വര്‍ഷങ്ങള്‍ ആയി .
വെള്ള - ഞ്ങ്ങകുടെ രോമം വെളുത്തതാണ്
കറമ്പന്‍ -ഞങ്ങളുടെ രോമമാണ് കറുത്തത് ബലവും ഉള്ളത്
വെള്ള- ഞങ്ങളുടെ വാലിനു നീളം കൂടുതല്‍ ഉണ്ട്
കറമ്പന്‍- ഞങ്ങളുടെ കുണ്ടിക്ക് ആണ് തഴമ്പ് കൂടുതല്‍
ചിമ്പാന്‍സി - ഒന്ന് പോടാ എന്റെ കുണ്ടിയില്‍ നോക്ക് എന്റേത് ചുവന്നു തുടുത്താണ് ഇരിക്കുന്നത്.
ഗോരില്ലക്കും ഉണ്ട ഗമ പറയാന്‍ - എന്റെ ശരീരം നിങ്ങളുടെതിനെക്കാള്‍ വലുതാണ്‌.പോരാത്തതിനു ഞങ്ങള്‍ രോമം കൂടുതല്‍ ഉള്ളവരാണ്.
ഒരന്ഗുന്ട്ടങ്ങു - ഒന്ന് പോ മക്കളെ എന്റെ നിറം നോക്ക്. ചെമ്പന്‍ നിറം ഞങ്ങള്‍ കേമന്മാര്‍.
സത്ത്യത്തില്‍ എല്ലാ കുരങ്ങന്മാരും ആഫ്രിക്കയില്‍ ഉണ്ടായി ലോകത്ത് വ്യാപിച്ചതാണ് എന്ന് ശാസ്ത്രം പറയുന്നു. രോമത്തിനു നിറവ്യത്യാസം എന്നല്ലാതെ നിങ്ങള്ക്ക് എന്ത് വ്യത്യാസം എന്ന് ചിമ്പാന്‍സി ചോദിക്കുന്നു.പക്ഷെ അത് ചോദിക്കാന്‍ ചിമ്പന്സിക് അധികാരം ഇല്ല ഞങ്ങള്‍ ആണ് അതിനു മുന്‍പുള്ളവര്‍ എന്ന് ഗോറില്ലകള്‍. ഞങ്ങള്‍ ദേവന്മാര്‍ക്ക് വേണ്ടി യുദ്ധം ചെയ്തിട്ടുണ്ട് അവസാനം ഒരന്ഗ് ഒട്ടാന്‍ പറഞ്ഞു എന്തൊക്കെ നിങ്ങള്‍ അവകാശപ്പെട്ടാലും ഞങ്ങളാണ് യഥാര്‍ഥ കുരങ്ങന്മാരും ഈ കാടിന്റെ ആദ്യത്തെ അവകാശികളും.
ഇതില്‍ നിന്നും വ്യത്യസ്തരല്ല നമ്മള്‍ മനസ്സ് മുരടിച്ച മനുഷ്യക്കുരങ്ങുകള്‍. കുരങ്ങന്‍ എന്നും കുരങ്ങന്‍ തന്നെ. അവന്റെ വാല് പോയി പാന്റ്സും ഷര്‍ട്ടും ഇട്ടു വന്നു വച്ച് അവന്റെ മൃഗ സ്വഭാവം അവരെ വിട്ടു പോവില്ല. ആര്‍ക്കാണ് പൊങ്ങച്ചം ഇല്ലാത്തത്.?
സുഹൃത്തേ ഞാൻ ദ്രാവിഡ വർഗ്ഗത്തിൽ പെട്ടതല്ലെന്ന് എങ്ങും പറഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല. പക്ഷേ പ്രസിദ്ധമായ ദ്രാവിഡന്റെ പൊങ്ങച്ചത്തെപ്പറ്റി കൂടുതൽ അറിയണമെങ്കിൽ ദക്ഷിണ ഇന്ത്യയുടെ പലഭാഗത്തും സഞ്ചരിച്ചാല് മനസ്സിലാകും. പൊങ്ങച്ചം ഒരിക്കലും ആർക്കും നന്നല്ല. പൊങ്ങച്ചമില്ലാത്ത ഒരു ദ്രാവിഡനായിരിക്കാനാണ് എനിക്കും സമൂഹ നന്മ ആഗ്രഹിക്കുന്ന എല്ലാവർക്കും താൽപ്പര്യം.
Deleteനിങ്ങളുടെ രോഷത്തിനു കാരണം ക്നാനായക്കാരെ ദ്രാവിഡനെന്നു വിളിച്ചതിനാലാണെന്ന് വളരെ വ്യക്തം. ക്നാനായക്കാരനും ദ്രാവിഡനാണെന്ന് നിങ്ങളുടെ മറുപടിയിൽ പറയുന്നതിനാൽ അതിലേക്ക് കൂടുതൽ കടക്കുന്നില്ല. ക്നാനായക്കാരനും ദ്രാവിഡനാണെന്നു അങ്ങ് സമ്മതിക്കുന്നതിൽ നന്ദി. ദ്രാവിഡനായ ക്നാനായക്കരന്റെ അതിരുവിട്ട പൊങ്ങച്ചം ആർക്ക് സഹിക്കാനാവും. അത് സമൂഹത്തിന് നല്ലതല്ലന്നേ അർഥമാക്കുന്നുള്ളൂ. എല്ലവർക്കും പൊങ്ങച്ചമുണ്ട്. പക്ഷേ ബുദ്ധിയുള്ളവൻ അത് കൺട്രോൾ ചെയ്യും. എന്നാൽ ക്നാനായക്കാർ അർത്ഥരാത്രിക്ക് കുട പിടിച്ച് മനോരോഗികളെപ്പോലെ പെരുമാറും.
നിങ്ങള്‍ രണ്ടു പേരും കാര്യവിവരും ഉള്ളവരാണെന്ന് കാണുന്നതില്‍ സന്തോഷമുണ്ട്. നിങ്ങള്‍ ഈ “ഏറ്റുമുട്ടല്‍” മനോഭാവം ഉപേക്ഷിച്ചാല്‍, സമുദായംഗങ്ങള്ക്ക് നിങ്ങളില്‍ നിന്നും പലതും പഠിക്കാന്‍ സാധിക്കുമെന്നാണ് ഞങ്ങളുടെ വിശ്വാസം. സമചിത്തതയോടെയുള്ള ഒരു ചര്ച്ചയ്ക്ക് നിങ്ങള്‍ ഇരുവരും തയ്യാറാകുമെന്ന് പ്രതീക്ഷിക്കട്ടെ.
Deleteഉള്ള കാര്യം പറയുമ്പോൾ "ഏറ്റുമുട്ടലായി" മന:പൂർവം ചിത്രീകരിക്കേണ്ട കര്യമില്ല അലക്സേ, അഡ്മിനിസ്റ്റ്രേ..
Deleteഎല്ലാവരേയും പട്ടികളായി താങ്കൾ കരുതേണ്ടതുമില്ല.
ഡിയര്‍ അട്മിനിസ്ട്രടോര്‍ ഞങ്ങള്‍ ഏറ്റുമുട്ടിയതല്ല. പരസ്പരം compliment ചെയ്തതാണ് . ഒരു പൊതു വങ്കത്തരത്തിന് എതിരെ രണ്ടു രീതിയില്‍ പ്രതികരിച്ചു എന്ന് മാത്രം. ഞങ്ങള്‍ ഒരേ വഞ്ചിയില്‍ ആണ് ഇപ്പോള്‍.
Deleteപ്രിയ അനോണി
എനിക്ക് താങ്കളോട് വ്യക്തിപരമായി തോന്നിയതല്ല ഞാന്‍ പറഞ്ഞത് . ആവറേജ് മലയാളിയുടെ ചില പൊങ്ങച്ചങ്ങള്‍ കെട്ടും വര്‍ഗം മേന്മ പറഞ്ഞും ഉള്ള വാഗ്വാദങ്ങളും അഹങ്കാരവും അവകാശവാദങ്ങളും കേട്ട് മടുത്തിട്ടാണ് ഞാന്‍ അത്രയും എഴുതിയത്. അനോണി ഒരു നിമിത്തം ആയി എന്ന് മാത്രം. താങ്കളേക്കാള്‍ നൂറു മടങ്ങ്‌ വര്‍ഗ ബോധത്തില്‍ അര്‍ഥശൂന്യമായ ഊറ്റം കൊള്ളുന്നവര്‍ അനേകര്‍ ഉണ്ട് . അവരോടും കൂടിയാണ് എന്റെ മറുപടി.
"നിങ്ങളുടെ രോഷത്തിനു കാരണം ക്നാനായക്കാരെ ദ്രാവിഡനെന്നു വിളിച്ചതിനാലാണെന്ന് വളരെ വ്യക്തം"
എന്ന് താങ്കള്‍ എഴുതിയല്ലോ. ഞാന്‍ തീര്‍ച്ചയായും രോഷം കൊണ്ടത്‌ ആ കാരണത്തിനല്ല. ദ്രാവിഡന്‍ എന്ന് വര്‍ഗം പറഞ്ഞു വിമര്‍ശിച്ചതിനാണ്. ദ്രവിടനെ പറഞ്ഞതിനാണ് "പൊങ്ങച്ചമില്ലാത്ത ഒരു ദ്രാവിഡനായിരിക്കാനാണ് എനിക്കും സമൂഹ നന്മ ആഗ്രഹിക്കുന്ന എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും താല്‍പ്പര്യം ." എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞു അങ്ങ് നിലപാട് വ്യക്തം ആക്കിയതില്‍ മഹത്വം ഉണ്ട്. വിമര്‍ശനം വ്യക്തിപരം ആയി തോന്നിയെങ്കില്‍ നിര്‍വ്യാജം ഖേദിക്കുന്നു. താങ്കള്‍ പറഞ്ഞ പോലെ പൊങ്ങച്ചം എല്ലാ സമൂഹത്തിലും ഉണ്ട്. പക്ഷെ അത് സംസ്കാരം ഉള്ളവരും വിവരം ഉള്ളവരും (വിദ്യാഭ്യാസം എന്ന് പറയാന്‍ ആവില്ല) അത്തരം കാര്യങ്ങളില്‍ ഉള്ള അല്പതം തിരിച്ചറിയുന്നവര്‍ ആണ്.ഹിന്ദു വര്‍ഗീയവാതികള്‍ ആണെങ്കില്‍ ഇന്ത്യക്കാരന് ഉള്ള 10000 വര്‍ഷത്തെ സാംസ്കാരിക മേന്മയുടെ അതിഭാവുകത്വം നിറഞ്ഞ അവകാശ വാദങ്ങള്‍ . അവര്‍ പറയുന്ന കേട്ടാല്‍ തോന്നും ഈ പ്രപഞ്ചം തന്നെ ഉണ്ടായത് ഇന്ത്യയുടെ തലസ്ഥാനത്ത് നിന്നാണെന്നു. ക്നാനായക്കാരുടെ വക വേറെ ഒരു വര്‍ഗ വര്‍ണ പാരമ്പര്യ മാര്‍ഗം കളിപ്പാട്ട് .അതിന്റെ പേരില്‍ മെത്രാന്‍ തൊട്ട് കപ്യാര്‍ക്ക് വരെ ചവിട്ടു നാടകം. മറു ഭാഗത്ത് സുറിയാനി ക്രിസ്തിയാനിയുടെ ബ്രാഹ്മണ പാരമ്പര്യം പറഞ്ഞുള്ള പോങ്ങച്ചത്തിനെ ഡോകുമെന്ടറി പ്രക്ഷേപണം. തീര്‍ന്നില്ല അവര്‍ മാര്‍ തോമ്മയില്‍ നിന്ന് നേരിട്ട് തലയില്‍ വെള്ളം വീണതിന്റെ വീമ്പു കേട്ട് തല മരച്ചു. 50 വയസുള്ള ക്രിസ്തിയാനി പറയുന്നത് 2000 വര്‍ഷത്തെ പാരമ്പര്യം.അവന്‍ എന്നാ ക്രിസ്തിയാനി ആയി ജീവിചിട്ടുള്ളത് എന്ന് ചോദിച്ചാല്‍ കഴിഞ്ഞ 40 വര്‍ഷമായി ഒരിക്കലും ഇല്ല.10 വര്ഷം കുട്ടിയായിരുന്നല്ലോ. പാരമ്പര്യം അല്ലാതെ ക്രിസ്തീയത ഉണ്ടോ ജീവിതത്തില്‍.? അത് പറയുമ്പോള്‍ അറിയില്ല. ഈ അടുത്ത കാലത്ത് ഒരു കുട്ടി ആത്മഹത്യ ചെയ്തു കിടക്കുമ്പോഴും വീട്ടുകാര്‍ക്ക് പാരമ്പര്യത്തെ പറ്റിയും വര്‍ഗ ശുദ്ധിയെ പറ്റിയും പൊങ്ങച്ചം പറയാനേ നേരം ഉണ്ടായുള്ളൂ .
നിങ്ങളുടെ പൂര്‍വികര്‍ ആരായിരുന്നു എന്നതിലല്ല നിങ്ങള്‍ ഇന്ന് ആരാണ് എന്നതിലാണ് പ്രാധാന്യം. ഒരു 10000 വര്ഷം പുറകോട്ടു പോയാല്‍ വല്ല കാട്ട് ജാതിയും ആയിരിക്കും. പക്ഷെ അത് പറഞ്ഞു ആരും മേന്മ നടിക്കുന്നത് കേട്ടിട്ടില്ല. ഞങ്ങള്‍ തലമുറകളായി കാടുജാതിക്കാര്‍ ആയ്രുന്നു എന്ന് വീമ്പു പറയാന്‍ പറ്റില്ലല്ലോ. ഭൂമിയ്ലെ യുദ്ധങ്ങളും കുടിയേറ്റങ്ങളും മനുഷ്യ വര്‍ഗത്തെ മിക്സ്‌ ചെയ്യാന്‍ ഉള്ള പ്രകൃതിയുടെ വഴിയാണ്. സത്യത്തില്‍ നമ്മില്‍ എല്ലാ ജാതിയും ഉണ്ട് എന്നതാണ് സത്യം. സംശയം ഉണ്ടെങ്കില്‍ ഒരു DNA ടെസ്റ്റ്‌ നടത്തി നോക്ക് . സുറിയാനികള്‍ കൂടിപ്പോയാല്‍ 2000 ത്തില്‍ ഇടിച്ചു നില്‍ക്കും. ക്നാനയക്കാരന്‍ 1700 . ഭൂമി ഉണ്ടായിട്ടു 4.5 billion വര്‍ഷങ്ങള്‍ കഴിഞ്ഞു. പ്രപഞ്ചം ഉണ്ടായിട്ടു 13 .5 billion എന്ന് ശാസ്ത്രം പറയുന്നു. ബാക്കി 13 . 4 .9999999 billion വര്‍ഷങ്ങളിലെ വല്ലതും അറിയാമോ. നമ്മുടെ ഈ വീമ്പു പറച്ചില്‍ കാലത്തിന്റെ വലിപ്പം വച്ചു നോക്കിയാല്‍ ഒരു സെക്കന്റ്‌ പോലും ഇല്ല എന്ന് കാണാം. 650 മില്യണ്‍ വര്ഷം ആയി മുതലകള്‍ ഭൂമിയില്‍ ഉണ്ടായിട്ടു. മുതലയ്ക്ക് കോടിക്കണക്കിനു വര്‍ഷത്തെ പാരമ്പര്യം ഉണ്ട് എന്ന് കരുതി ഒരു ലക്ഷം വര്ഷം മുന്‍പ് മാത്രം ഉണ്ടായ മനുഷ്യനെക്കാള്‍ മെച്ചമാണ് മുതലകള്‍ എന്ന് പറയ്ന്നത് എന്ത് യുക്തിയാണ് . കൃസ്തിയാനികള്‍ കുല മഹിമ പറയുന്നതും മറ്റുള്ളവരേക്കാള്‍ മെച്ചപ്പെട്ടവര്‍ എന്ന് കരുതുന്നതും മനുഷ്യത്വ രഹിതവും സംസ്കാര ശൂന്യതയും ആണ്. കറുത്ത വര്‍ഗക്കാരെ അടിമകളായി കണ്ട വെള്ളക്കാരന്‍ ഉണ്ടായതും കറുത്ത വര്‍ഗക്കാരില്‍ നിന്നാണ് എന്നുള്ളത് ഏറ്റവും വലിയ വിരോധാഭാസം. കേരളീയന്റെ രക്തം ആണ് ഏറ്റവും മിക്സ്‌ ആയിട്ടുള്ളതില്‍ ഒന്ന്. അത് സുറിയാനി ആയാലും ക്നാനായ ആയാലും. അത് കൊണ്ട് നമുക്ക് ജാതി വ്യവസ്ഥിതി മാറ്റാം. നമ്മള്‍ ഇന്നും ഇന്ത്യയിലെ ചാതുര്‍വര്‍ണ്യ നരവംശ ശാസ്ത്ര ലോകത്ത് നിന്നും വളര്‍ന്നിട്ടില്ല. നമ്മള്‍ മാനസികംമായി ഇപ്പോഴും പഴയ പ്രാകൃത ഗോത്ര വര്‍ഗ സ്മൃതികളില്‍ ജീവിക്കുന്നവര്‍ തന്നെ.
Deleteഅടുത്ത കാലത്ത് കേരളത്തിലെ ക്രിസ്തീയ വിഭാഗങ്ങളുടെ DNA സാമ്പിള്‍ പരിശോധനയില്‍ അവര്‍ കണ്ടെത്തിയ ജീനുകളില്‍ സിറിയന്‍ , യഹൂദ , ആര്യ , ദ്രാവിഡ ജീനുകള്‍ ഉണ്ട് എന്ന് കണ്ടെത്തിയിട്ടുണ്ട്. J2 ,H ,R . ജീനുകള്‍ . പിന്നെ വര്‍ഗ ശുദ്ധിയും ജാതി മേന്മയും പൊങ്ങച്ചമായി പറഞ്ഞു മേന്മ നടിക്കുന്നതിലും മറ്റുള്ളവരെ മാറ്റി നിര്‍ത്തുന്നതിലും എന്ത് യുക്തിയാണ് ഉള്ളത്. യഹൂദരെ വര്‍ഗത്തിന്റെ പേരില്‍ കൊന്ന ഹിട്ലരുടെ DNA ഒരു നല്ല ശതമാനം യഹൂദന്റതായിരുന്നു എന്നതാണ് സത്യം കുറെ അഫ്രിക്കക്കരന്റെതും പിന്നെ മൊറോക്കോക്കാരന്റെയും അല്പം ജര്‍മന്‍കാരന്റെയും.!! Reality is stranger than fiction .
You are correct. Losts of Knanaya people looks ugly than lower cast vettuvar and chrruman and paniyappies. I am sure these knanaya people are not the generation of knaya Tomman or his family. Years back lots of lower cast people and Brahmins converted into Knanaya. My father said we are one Brahmin ellam converted into Knanaya because we look like white fair Brahmins in Kerala and we are intelligent and very good in mathematics also. You have to admit Knanaya is the mix of vettuvar and Brahmins. Only your mirror can say which group your parents belonged to in the old generation.
DeletePlease leave the knanaya alone with their traditions and believes of ancestry.
DeleteBut they should not think big of themselves. They have nothing to prove of any superiority. They are just as any other malayalee.
The problem arises only when a small minority who left the Community attempt to be identified again as a member of the Community.
My dear friend, you are right; Knanaya is nothing superior. The people who were ousted from the community are fighting not because they want to get back to a great community, but for certain principles.
DeleteNo matter what the old men in Rome (or their Canon Law) says, a parish church is the ancestral property of the families in the parish, because they got it built. When you kick out a guy from the parish because he decided who he should marry, don’t think he will take it lying down. He will fight back. And that is what is happening to the Knanaya Community. Your authorities could see the sense in it. But there are so many brain-washed idiots who are blind to the truth.
Mr. Anonimous
DeleteKnanaya parishes not kicking out any body from the community. Most of the people who married non knanaya for wealth they followed the custom and willfully changed their parishes. In kerala most of the knanaya families at least one PLEKs. (PLEK- Permitted to leave the Eparchy of Kottayam) But they are not sent out from their family. They are getting all love and affection. They are not changing their house name. We are not persisting any body to be in the Community. We are not violating human rights. We are following what we received from ancestors.
But my dear, unlike any other, it is an endogamous community. Then how can it accommodate one who opted exogamy?! Then how can it survive?! It is only because of the special endogamous nature of the Community that membership cannot be allowed after exogamy! It is not because of any hate that the exogamous cannot be members in the Community or parish. After all, though exogamous, they are our brothers only.
ReplyDeleteSo, we should love them just like those who observed the Community rule. So, they should have no problem in the family, but only the community, which cannot be helped. So, they should understand the situation with love and bear with the Community and should be proud of their ancestry and help the Community to follow the traditions.
Of course, marriage is the most personal thing of an individual and so he should not be hated for selecting his wife from anywhere he likes. Others should not interfere in the matter.
But he should know even before marriage that he cannot be a member thereafter, but only in the Community and not in the family.
കോട്ടയം രൂപത തുടങ്ങിയപ്പോള്‍ എഴുതി ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ ഒരു കള്ളനിയമമാണ് ഈ എന്ഡോഗമി. മാക്കീല്‍ പിതാവും ചാഴികാടനും കൂടി ഉണ്ടാക്കിയ ഒരു കള്ളനിയമം. ചരിത്രപരമായി ഇതിനു ഒരു അടിസ്ഥാനവും ഇല്ല. ശുദ്ധ നുണയും തട്ടിപ്പും – അത്ര തന്നെ. ഒരു സമൂഹത്തെ പൊട്ടക്കിണറ്റില്‍ തള്ളിയിട്ട കള്ളന്മാരാണവര്‍. സുബോധമുള്ളവര്‍ ഈ കാട്ടുനിയമം ഉപേക്ഷിക്കണമെന്ന് പറയുമ്പോള്‍ സമുദായം നിലനില്ക്കുകയില്ല എന്ന വരട്ടുവാദവുമായി കുറേപ്പേര്‍ വരും. ഏതു സമുദായമാണ് എന്ഡോ്ഗമി പാലിക്കാത്തതുകൊണ്ട് നശിച്ചുപോയത്? ഈ സമുദായം എന്ഡോഗമി ഉപേക്ഷിച്ചാല്‍ ശരിയായ രീതിയില്‍ ആരോഗ്യകരമായി വളരും എന്നാണു എന്റെ അഭിപ്രായം.
ReplyDeleteകോട്ടയം അതിരൂപത, ചിങ്ങവനം ഭദ്രാസനം അതുപോലെ കോട്ടയം അതിരൂപതയില്‍ ഉള്പെട്ടിട്ടുള്ള മലങ്കര ക്നാനായ വിശ്വാസികള്‍ എന്നിവര്‍ തങ്ങളുടെ വിശ്വാസവും ആചാരവും അനുസരിച്ച് പ്രത്യേക എന്ടോഗമസ് സമൂഹമായി നിലനില്‍ക്കുകയാണല്ലോ. ഇവിടെ സീറോ മലബ്ബാര്‍ ഭരണക്രമവും അതുപോലെ വിവിധ രൂപതകളും ഉണ്ടാകുന്നതിനു മുന്‍പും ഞങ്ങള്‍ ക്നാനായക്കാര്‍ തങ്ങളുടെ എന്ടോഗമിയും ആചാരങ്ങളും തുടര്‍ന്ന് പോരുന്നവയായിരുന്നു. ഇതു ഒരു ചരിത്ര സത്യമാണ്. ഇപ്പോഴും ഉള്ള ക്നാനായ യുവാക്കളും തങ്ങളുടെ ജീവിത പങ്കാളിയെ ഞങ്ങളുടെ സമുദായത്തില്‍ നിന്നും മാത്രം തെരഞ്ഞെടുക്കാന്‍ ആണ് കൂടുതലും ഇഷ്ടപ്പെടുന്നത്. ഒരു പാത്രം പായസതിനുവേണ്ടി തന്റെ പൈതൃക അവകാശങ്ങള്‍ നഷ്ടപ്പെടുത്തിയ എസാവിനെപ്പോലെ ചിലര്‍ ധനത്തിന്റെയും സൗന്ദര്യത്തിന്റെയും പേരില്‍ തങ്ങളുടെ ക്നാനയത്വം നഷ്ടപെടുത്തുന്നു. അതിനു ഞങ്ങള്‍ ഉത്തരവാദികളല്ല. ഇതിന്റെ പേരില്‍ ആര് എന്തൊക്കെ പറഞ്ഞാലും ഞങ്ങള്‍ ക്നാനായ സമൂഹം ഒറ്റക്കെട്ടായി ഞങ്ങളുടെ എന്ടോഗാമി കാത്തു സൂഷിക്കും. ഇതില്‍ വെള്ളം ചേര്‍ക്കാന്‍ ആരെയും അനുവദിക്കുകയില്ല.
DeleteKerala charithrathilo bharatha charithrathilo lokacharithrathilo knananaya charithram illa. Eshuthiyondakkiya kettukadha, charithravumayi othupokunnilla. Cheraman perumal ettam nootanndumuthalalle kerala charithrathil ullathu,pinnengane nalam noottandil knaithommane varavelkkum? Guy Flawkes,Gun powder kandupidichathu 12-14 nootandilalle pinnengane knaithommane ereshunalu vedivachu nalam nootandil sweekarikkum. Paykappalil janangal koottathode sancharikkan thudangiyathu 16 nootandumuthalalle pinnengane eshillam eshupathirandu kudumbam nalam nootandil kodungallooril varum?
DeletePathinaram noottandil joseph ramban enna yemeni yahoodante nethruthwathil 72 kudumbam kodugalloooril vannathai kerala charithrathil rekhappeduthiyittundu. Avarude pingamikal anu mattancheriyilundayirunna yahoodar. 1950 kalil Israel rajyam roopam kondappol avar keralam vittu angottupoyathayi charithramundu.
Avarude charithram adharamayi ,Bishop Makkilinteyo choolapparmbanteyo asheevadathode chazhikadan eshuthiyundakkiya kallakkadhayanu thekkumbhagasamudaya charithram. yahoodaparambaryam oru caste based society-l undakkiyedukkuvan Endogamyokke avar eshuthiyundakkiya tharikada thattippanu.Athu innathe sammohathil janathinu avashyamilla, ennu mathramalla janthinte purogathikku valiya prathibandhavumanu.
There is no problem in abandoning endogamy from knanaya as long as it is no more called by that name 'knanaya'!!!
DeleteIf you are ready to abandon the name too from the parishes, diocese, Community etc. endogamy is not a must.
But if it has to be knanaya, there is no option but to stick on to endogamy.
The real issue is not the people who married and left Knanaya. Just forget them. People within knanya is facing descrimination from rich white knanaya people very badly in the marriage market.White rich knanaya people do not prefer black knanaya people. Old people know our sabha is the mix of brahmins and the vettuvar (SC/ST). Top level priests do not understand the difficulties of poor black knanaya people to get partner in knanaya sabha. Rich educated black people do not have any problem they get anybody from knanaya but most of them find their educated partner from other catholics. But the other catholics do not accept uneducated poor knanaya people. Finally these poor black uneducated knanaya people are forced to go to lower cast non-catholics to get their partner. How can we remove them from their original knanaya sabha? Poor black knanaya people are on the edge of starting civil war against the descrimination in the sabha by the white knanaya people.Just wait and see who will come out as Martin Luther King and fight for the black knanaya poor people. Believe it or not, this is very serious unaddressed hidden issue in Kananya sabha. Tell me how can we pray to Jesus. Jesus does not belong to Knanaya. If we cannot accept the people of Jesus how Jesus will accept us?. That is the curse most of our priests, nuns and bishop are immoral sex criminals.
ReplyDeleteMr. Anonymous,
DeleteWho told you these type of foolishness. I Knanaya there is no such type of rich white kna and poor black kna. Such type of discrimination what you told is seen in other Roman Catholics where the converted christian are not recognized. Can you show a Dalith priest is recognized in RC or a dalith catholic person is reputed?. He is always so called "poocha". First you correct them and come to teach Knanaya. We are proud to be Knanaya and we will not allow to dilute it.
Mr. Pachaniram, You called other people "poocha" that kind of mentality people are more in Knanaya. They are creating these white/ poor Black discrimination. Sitting in rich bishop house you will feel proud of Knanaya but you go to the houses of poor black knanaya people and make a survey you will know their problem. Then you will understand the shocking news. I agree with you if black is rich then white knanaya people are ready to kiss their ass if not it is very bad.How many people can say what I wrote is not correct? If you are white will you prefer poor black knanaya. They are treated as third class people in Knanaya sabha.
DeleteSabha dalithare mathaparivarthanam cheythu christyaniyakkiyenkilum samoohyamaya avarude abhivrudhikku onnum cheythittilla ennathu sathyamanu, avare koottathil koottathe puthuchristhianikalayi mattinirthi. Syro-malabaril anu athu kooduthalayi ullathu.
DeleteAthinokke sayippine kandu padikkanam, ethra madammamaranu karamban mare kettunnathu. Knanayakkranu pashamayude kolayil thanne.Avanavan karyathil purogamanam knayude idayilenkilum kanichavananu veeran. Appol pachaniravum,veluthaniravum parayunnavane aaru gaunikkum.
Some of these guys are blinded with jealous and foolishness (Anonymous July 31, 2012 7:37 AM). You talk about rich white kna and poor black kna like you know everything. Then i have a challenge and a question for you.
DeleteShow me ONE catholic diocese based community from Kerala who have migrated outside Kerala and have helped their family, friends, 'natukaru' or even anybody just because he/she is from thier own diocese more than the people who decended from Kottayam diocese? The amount of help a Knanaya has helped another Knanaya is incalculable and hard to understand by half-knowledged people like you. If you want proof just look at the Knanayites in all corners of America, Europe, Australia, Bombay, Bangalore, Chennai, Gulf countries etc - anywhere Knanayites have emigrated they have come together and helped each other way way more than any other community have helped each other. Only the malayali muslim community has done better than knanaites in this department of helping each other.
WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THAT! TAKE YOUR JEALOUSY ELSEWHERE AND TRY TO SPEND $1000.00 AND HELP SOME NEW IMMIGRANT FAMILY FROM YOUR DIOCESE WHO IS NOT AT ALL RELATED TO YOU WITHOUT EXPECTING $1500.00 IN RETURN - Then you will understand the Knanaya spirit. This rich kna-poor kna argument is a dead argument, just your drunken imagination.
God is great. at least in one sentence you put what is the intention of your help. Spend 1000 and expect 1500. You know lots of cheating also going on in these kna to kna partnership business. Lots of new generation kna people try to stay away from the old migrated low category kna people in America. Even their wife hesitate to take these original narrow minded pure blood kna husbands to the place where decent Americans gather. If you do not think right who cares your gas station money? Did you watch akkara kazhchakel program. That is also true. Lower category employee Kna husbands are too much worried when their decent kna -wife go to night duty. Unnecessary these kna husbands stalking their wife for all the movements and phone calls and even dress. If your wife is proud of having pure original royal blood kna husband then why you are worried and doubting her? The truth is kna men know lots of kna ladies hate these original pure royal blood kna men as husband. When kna ladies watch the movies of mamootty , mohan lal, manojk, suresh gopi, bau antony when these kna husband go close to them they will say go away with crying kidz. is that true or not? When these kna ladies tired after night duty and wanted to take some rest but these kna men force to take them to church to pray and meditation. Actually these kna men try to scare them on name of GOD so that these kna men assume they will not like any other handsome decent man. Why new generation of kna in America do not want to marry not even malayalee? They are fed up with the never changing bad mentality of malayalee migrated Kna. All they think about money and church. Never mingle with other non-kna people. Kna men are more scared and doubted their kna wife than any other community. Why?
DeleteThis guys is crazy.
DeleteCONVENTION WAS EXCELLENT. CONGRATULATIONS TO KCCNA AND THAMBA UNIT. KEEP IT UP. WE DON'T NEED THE BISHOPS FROM KOTTAYAM ANYMORE
ReplyDeleteDear anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIf you are decent human being, and proud of your existence, type your full identity,when you are expressing your views,criticism,and unwanted thoughts,to the readers. Who is talking about their superirity ,colour Ect.The KNANAYA COMMUNITY wants to follow their criteria which they were and still practicing,which helps them to maintain their identity,tradition, norms and culture.Your U.S.citizen ship or the larege amount of dollars in your bank account,won't work for it.As i mentioned earlier,ENDOGAMY is the corner stone and knanaya is endogamous community, whith rules and traditions,they can not keep the exogamous group.They are not going to catch those fish lost from the group.There is no enimity between them.I am sure, the knanaya community is keeping good relationships amoung all the other human beings.ete when we are in groups ,we don't ask as which church you belongs, as some people questions.But within our frame work we have our rules and practices,which the knanaya catholic to follow.There is no need of questions,about Bishops, Priests,or community organisation leader.All of us should know our rules and entitled to follow that.When we forget our rules ,we start digging the dirts which never existed, and create some problems in that writters dreams,after fully saturated with alcohol,whic is cheap and easly available here.Use your brain and time ,to find out the cause of our problems,it's existence, why?,who is the devil trying to destroy us and use your brain for good.Remember any organisations,business,religious or social,charitable, has their by laws for the protection and management.Don't blame each other, find your own mistakes.If you see some body is trying to destroy, approach the authority and notify that with your own good identity.My request to the moderator please sensor all letters before publishing.
Peru vachal ammma thallum
DeleteThis is no personal attack. But I want Ms.Josephine John use the modern technology of DNA testing; and prove to us that your blood is not mixed. Prove that you are the descendants of Knai Thoma and his party who carry (?) the pure blood. Anyone who talks about pure blood in this age of flat world is a terrorist or a person who follows Hitler theory. Josephine should understand that all the Knanaya traits, traditions, norms and culture evolved out of other communities; or it is a cut and paste phenominon. Even endogamy is practiced by many other communities in old days. Now they are changing it. I do not see anything special about Knanaya culture and traditions; and they came from other old communities. But it was a tool to create a new diocese named Kottayam.
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DeleteBased on the arguments of the existence of Knanaya, I am planning to carryout a research by collecting DNA sample from Knanaya Catholics and Jacobite people to prove the endogamy. It requires lot of money and efforts. If any body interested to sponsor me please inform me.
പേര് വയ്ക്കാതെ എഴുതാന്‍ സാധിക്കുന്നതാണ് ഈ ബ്ലോഗിനെ സജീവവും അര്ത്ഥയപൂര്ണവും ആക്കുന്നത് ഇത് ഇങ്ങനെ തന്നെ തുടരുന്നതാണ് നല്ലത്. അല്ലെങ്കില്‍ ഇത് കോട്ടയം അരമനയുടെ സ്തുതിപാഠകരുടെ മാത്രം വേദിയായി മാറും
ReplyDeleteMy dear Chethalil, We are related. If I put my name immediately you will call my house. I am not revealing my identity because I do not want to hurt my aged family people, moreover my family has girls looking for the proposals in Kna. In Sabha’s view point I am wrong because I am saying the truth. Did you read the title of this news magazine “ Truth, whether you like it or not.”. You should appreciate this magazine for putting your comment at free of cost. You must not order or control the media to put only the comments that you like. You know this is not manorama owned media. This magazine is getting popular because they are independent but they are not scared. Now you know knanaya has two types of people. Open minded and narrow minded like you. I know your family. I know you are angry because you do not want to reveal your origin (SC/ST). That is shameful for you. You are rich you do not have no problem. You know lots of poor black kna people their age is more than 45 still looking for the partner in Knanaya sabah. They cannot go out of kna because they do not want to hurt their old parents. If you are supporting not to break the law and let the poor people struggle and destroy their life then those curse will fall on the families of people like you. That is the one reason most of our priests, nuns and bishops are sex criminals. You do not know the pain of discrimination in our black Kna people are facing.I dream the day all these unmarried people will come forward and question the bishop or they will declare their bishop of Kna sabha.
ReplyDeleteI am planning to conduct a research to prove Endogomy of Knanaya Catholics and Jacobites. But it requires lot of money and effort. Please sponsor me...
DeleteMr. Biotech I would like to do my DNA profile.
DeleteSend me the details and contact email please. You can charge them individually instead of a sponsorship.
Let me introduce my self.
DeleteI am Bijosh Abraham, Completed M.Sc Biotechnology and working as Manager in a multinational pharmaceutical company at Bangalore. I would like to register my PhD during the academic year 2013. I am planning to conduct study to prove the endogamy of Knanaya community.
Instead of individual DNA test we can take samples from different category of people Approximately 10000 sample representing around 200000 Knanaya people. This will be a huge effort and expenses will be more. The result of the thesis could be published.
I will estimate the amount and the study shall be registered in MG university. I am unable to bare the huge expense for the DNA study, I am requesting help from Knanaya well wishers.
Thank you
Bijosh Abraham
I am Bijosh Abraham, Completed M.Sc Biotechnology and working as Manager in a multinational pharmaceutical company at Bangalore. I would like to register my PhD during the academic year 2013. I am planning to conduct study to prove the endogamy of Knanaya community.
DeleteInstead of individual DNA test we can take samples from different category of people Approximately 10000 sample representing around 200000 Knanaya people. This will be a huge effort and expenses will be more. The result of the thesis could be published.
I will estimate the amount and the study shall be registered in MG university. I am unable to bare the huge expense for the DNA study, I am requesting help from Knanaya well wishers.
Thank you
Bijosh Abraham
Mr Bijosh Abraham, dont waste money to prove the endogamous nature of knas by DNA studies. You could prove only that they are IMPURE!
DeleteKna is not differentiated by purity of blood line with the jews but only by the practice of endogamy. So endogamic practice alone is the test for knanaya and not a DNA test. Endogamy is the only the most practical, acceptable and possible custom to keep purity to the extent possible. It cannot assure 100% purity because of the illegal births in the past within the endogamous marriages and the resultant descendants. No endogamous community in th world can be pure because to this possibility of illegal births!
Dear Bijosh:
DeleteI appreciate your enthusiasm. I wonder how successful you might be in raising funds for the project from the community members.
Our people are notorious for not undertaking any charity work. They can pay the money only to bishops and priests. They do that not for the sake of helping others but to get publicity. The clergy is very good at exploiting this weakness of our people.
Your only hope is to undertake the project with the blessings of Kottayam/Chingavanam aramanas. If they announce the project, crores will flow in instantly. You will get enough funds after they take their pound of flesh. But I am afraid the church authorities are not interested in any such scientific studies. They are happy with the myth. They have successfully marketed the myth and are reaping the benefits. Why should they bother to know the truth.
I warn you, the truth is going to be unpleasant for many naïve members of the community and could end up as an embaraassment for the authorities.
Best of luck!
Dear Bijosh
DeleteAs you are an expert in DNA testing, Why don't you perform your own DNA test and compare it with the DNA sample of Jewish race ,Syrian,Edessa etc) and common Dravidian peoples DNA traits available in the database and make it public. I can bet,You will come up with typical Indian Dravidian DNA traits from your own sample.Do that first and prove your Knanaya existence? (Even if you do that it has to be rechecked in a neutral expert).
By introduction the terms of White-Kna/Black-Kna AND Rich-Kna/Poor-Kna subject into these recent discussions and debates is clearly a calculated and planned approach taken by few shrewd anti-kna people to divide the Kna community by inciting anger among each other.
ReplyDeleteLooking at American politics, these people have clearly understood and learned the power of the Race(color) card and Economic disparity card.
Be on the guard against such Devils play dear Knanaya Brothers and Sisters.
Dear Anonymous kna Zombies, You are like a frog in the pond. In America racism was ended by law in 1964. Do you know the civil war ended in 1964 with very powerful law. You know the black man is the great president of America. Do not compare white kna Zombies in Kerala with people in any other developed countries. Now poor black kna people are rejected and badly treated everywhere by rich kna Zombies in Kerala. The time will come these poor black kna will unite and emerge a big force that will decide "Who want to be the millionaire (Bishop)". You Zombies cannot fool the poor kna people for a long period of time by name of God.
DeleteDear anti-kna Zombie-Dude. As you say racism ended in 1964 in america etc etc, but it is you who are also quoting the black-kna white-kna in the same paragraph. So it is you who is racist with not-so-hidden agendas.
DeleteIf you are a true kna you will see numerous examples of RICH-BLACK knas who have helped so many WHITE-POOR knas establish in career and business and vice-versa. Look at NY, CHICAGO and you will see many many examples of black-rich-knas helping white-knas and vice-versa. So again, take this color based racist argument elsewhere, not within us Knanaya community. Becasue in our own families just like every other families with South India origin, there are white and black children born to same parents.
Your Zombie racist card is just that - RACIST!
You should read the comments carefully. Do not bring the example of people living in foreign countries. I agree there is no black/white difference in rich Kna people. I said the situation of poor black kna living in villages in Kerala is very bad. Yesterday when I called my village, family people said this shocking stories. There are lots of poor black kna some of them over 45 age not getting partners. Ladies who completed nursing looking for educated rich handsome boys. That is normal. My point if we strict with our law of pure royal blood how these poor people will get partners? They also need life man. What you mean with pure royal blood?. Since you are living in CHICAGO LET ME ASK YOU ONE THING. for example there is one kna couple but that husband has illigeal wife and kids in some lower caste in Kerala. But that person is still treated pure royal blood kna in the kna churches. He is not removed from the kna saba? Is that only when someone officially marry from other catholics then only kna remove that person. Right? Another example when one Kna lady married one other kna person from the village of kerala and later when that boy came to America this kna lady was living with some other Mexican and not willing to accept this legally married kna boy. Later with lots of family meeting and discussion request finally that kna lady agreed to accept this kna boy also. Now this Kna lady and kna husband are very well respected in Kna community. If you are a kna you already know all these things. That is what we are saying kna is mix of so many dirty things. Never claim as pure royal blood. People will spite on our face if we claim pure blood. We should not feel too much proud if we know our community very well. In 21st modern century do you think not even one kna lady has sex with other community smart handsome energetic person while she is wife of original kna?
DeleteKna is not actually pure blood in spite of following endogamy! There is no better way to keep maximum purity other than by following endogamy. They need of be proud of any other specialty other than the tradition of endogamy.
DeleteAny kna who doesn't get spouses from knanaya can marry a non-kna. But he has to leave the Community, but not his family. Being an endogamous community, kna cannot accept a KANA as its member.
Illegal relationships with non-knas doesn't make a kna, a non-kna. Perhaps more than others, the knas have secret illegal affairs. When it is a legal marriage with a non-kna, the non-kna will acquire rights. If it is illegal, they don't acquire any rights because of that relation. The illegal spouses do not claim membership in knanaya institutions, like the legal ones. So usually no problem arises!
Such illegal cases are rampant anywhere including the SM. So, it need not be a discussion point in this case.
If there are children in such illicit relations of a kna, with another kna, the children also are knas only, because the genes are the same!!
Who cares your money? We know you all are belonged to the "puthan achy pura puram adikum" category. Our main subject I repeat many times 1. Poor black kna are rejected in the marriage market in villages of kerala. 2. Pure royal blood claim has no validity anymore. Intelligent kna will not think the way you think. The way you are making kna pure is very interesting. If the kna wife has illicit relationship of a non-kna how the gene is going to be the same?. Parents are kna but the gene of that children will be the gene of that illicit non-kna father. Kna man's role is just like St. Joseph (Valarthachen). There are so many cases like that. Local village people know. That is the reason if we say pure blood other community people will make fun on us. You please understand the reality. Your another story is more interesting Kna Man's illicit sex is acceptable. You are saying similar the incident of one white western couple had African child. If you are in America you might have read that news. You are saying that is acceptable in our kna community we man go out and have illicit relationship and come and have sex with kna wife if that illicit lady had sex just before we make sex and our original kna wife get pregnent with that man's spum through the original kna man. It is acceptable in your family not in our kna family. You are right there are so many cases Kna- man and kan -Lady are making illicit sex with non-kna and stay in Kna pretending original kna wife and kna husband. People started talking all these publicly.Better we do not claim too much purity. I asked Chicago kna two incidents I am sure if he knew that cases he will never respond.
DeleteRe: "Kna is not actually pure blood in spite of following endogomy ........"
DeleteSo Kna is a thattippu?
KNA is not a 'thattippu'.
DeleteIt is just a community following endogamy in a sincere attempt to maintain maximum POSSIBLE purity. 100% purity is impossible in any community in spite of following endogamy.
But kna is not less pure than any other endogamous community in the world, because any impurity identified is stopped then and there to be recognized as a part of kna.
I did not get you said any impurity identified is stopped then and there to be recognized as a part of kna. Please specify in detail so that common people can understand. I mentioned above two incidents, what was your stoppage method? They are still very much in Kna.
DeleteAs far as I am concerned blood purity is a baseless thing. How people like you speak ignorance like this. Some body of the ancestor told that by keeping endogamy we can attain pure blood. I haven't heard such stupid thing in my lifetime.All human beings have positive and negative thoughts and emotions. When we think positive, positive emotions flows from you,and negative vice verse. What impurity it makes if knanaya marries in his own choice a non-knanaya and they have legal,legitimate child. Are they impure? Tell these arguments to the ignorant,not to the one who has some commonsense.
DeleteRegarding 'purity' or 'impurity' of blood, those words were not used to mean in the literal sense. Its just a usage by many.
DeleteWhat I meant is about the genes only. By following strict endogamy, specific genes of the same community is transferred to the next generation without being mixed with genes of specific characteristics of other communities. I am not a scientist to explain further. Anyhow, I didn't mean to say about 'purity of blood' in the literal sense. Sorry, if that usage caused a misconception.
First you pin-point the non-knanaya persons within the knanaya Community with necessary details and address of their parents so that they could be traced.
DeleteThen the community will investigate and if found true, surely they will cease to be considered as part of knanaya community.
You cannot do anything if they belong to rich family or related to priests or bishop. Do you think any family will agree to do DNA test? Mrs. Chethalil immediately opposed the suggestion of one other Kna scientist.
DeleteFirst you point out who they are and see what the kna will do to eliminate them from their community.
DeleteMy dear so called relative,
ReplyDeleteFor your clear knowledge I know my parents, grand perents of both sides and their ancestors. If you are my closed or far relative,you know that too.I am sure you know the knanaya history of their migration.I know there are rich and poor people-finacially among the knanaya community.,whic is prevelent in any groups,country and in the whole world. But color diffrence is not affected among knanaya community What ever color their skin may be they are still knanaya catholic if they fall in the knanaya criteria.
I never ever heard a seperation/segrigation in knanaya community with color differences.If so it is wrong.
For the marriage in knanaya community, candidate self or the parents with the help of relatives and friends, finds the suitable spouse for them. Both the parties have to discuss, the ways+ means, their intrests and future plans, and decides what to do.
Ofcourse 70-80% of the knanaya parents prefer their children to get the partner from their own community,since there won't be any changes customs, manners etc.for them to adjust.But if the candidate prefer to choose their partner from any community. country or religion they will accept that since they don't want to upset their child. But they tell them the rules of the knanaya catholic communuty which they are aware, and wish them happiness and prosperity and to adjust with the adapted family and community and be fruitfull and productive there.
If you are with light brown/dark brown and ashamed, find a light color partner.Hopefully you may get light color children. Remember the inner color of your partner's heart and the ability of adjustment will lead you to a peaceful life and hapinness.
Dear Biotech, don't try to steel money from our good knanaya people.May be you can join with Mr. J. George of london 33 yrs old,
who is famous in all the malayalam news papers.
Iam not intrested in the magazine you recomended. Thanks any way.
Iam not a very rich lady,but i am happy with what we have and thakfull to GOD.
Why worry about the priests and nones,they are leading a religious life.Unfortunatly there may be 1-2% may in bad side, with out control, that kind of behaviour may see in married people also.
Dear Chethalil, Good to know you are the only one is special.As I understand based on Kna migration theory you look like foreigner.Right? Good for you everyone will look at you if you walk through villages in Kerala. By sitting in the bishop house or some rich countries or rich family you will not understand the suffering of poor black kna people in villages.I can tell you more than 10 poor black kna men in our village do not get partner they are more than 45 years old. They are loosing their hope of family life. You say there is no problem I will support you if you can give that 10 men a family life. Already they suffered lot so they are willing to suffer by sharing also. There is no other hope for them. They are human being they also dream partner when they are energetic and young youth congress. Please help them if you can sacrifice for poor Kna people. God Bless you. You can find more if you go to villages and open your mind.They will treat you as god if you can give them a taste of life we rich people enjoy everyday. if you are very strict on Kna rule then how the poor kna enjoy the taste of sex that our priests ,nuns and bishop enjoy everyday in kottayam bishop house.
DeleteModerator, please dicourage such loose talks. otherwsie few of these type of commentators will reduce the quality of this blog and end it like knanaya voice blog.
Deletethis does not make any sense, the best thing is you chethalil and the Mr,Anony share your phone number and do converse/debate/argue about these thing in private,that way we are not destined to read all these crap.First time I heard of Kna classification as black and white kna. and Who are you? "Knaral Marx', get yourself educated before vomiting these absurdity in public, good it is anonymous otherwise you would have be ridiculed, Lord have mercy..
DeleteAnd my dear researcher, go suck some DNA from the living bishops first and make sure they are 'Pure Knas' the common 'Saada' knas comes second. is santhosh pandit Kna? you talk like him. you couldnt find any subject to do a PhD!!I strongly doubt you even have a college degree! some people might buy it. what a shame !
Jose Florida.
Dear Josephine Madam,
ReplyDeleteI am not interested to steal money from Knanaya people. I am Bijosh Abraham M.SC Biotechnology and having NET, working as Research Manager in a multi national pharmaceutical Company. I am earning money more than those people working in UK as nurse. My wife is M.SC nurse also from Knanaya community (she is not working at present taking care of our child). If I am a money minded person both me and my wife will be in some foreign countries and spoiling our life. As a self esteemed knanaya, some people disgracing our community I thought it shall be a good idea to prove scientifically that our community is truly endogomous. So I suggested a research study. I do not know what is the expense of DNA study so I requested sponsors.
Madam is worried if Madam's DNA match with some SC/ST people near to her house in Kerala what will be your conclusion? By comparing the color and shape lots of chances are there for many Kna people. In that case will sabha accept those matched SC/ST or these original Kna people should be expelled from Kna sabha so they have to join Sc/ST. Please give some more detail of the purpose.I personally welcome your idea. I think we have to go through the court to get permission. Look at DNA test proved our greatest gandhian leader has illigeal son. They just tested DNA test in one congress leader. If they do more DNA test all these jarasandhathikelke achan undavum. Same result you can expect if you do more DNA test in Kna people and SC/ST.
DeleteDear friends who believe in GOD and respect human being + their values,
ReplyDeleteWhere are we going? and what is your goal? Why worry about KNANAYA COMMUNITY ? Please worry about you and your family first,then the village,town, country and the world.I believe you are a good samaritan and doing lots of good help for the needy . Good job.May GOD bless you in this world and keep you with him very close in heaven,after death.
Mr. BIJOSH ABRAHAM ,I see your good intrest in KNANAYA COMMUNITY.We apreciate your good will for help. KNANAYA COMMUNITY is a group of people who trust and believe in their parents.,ESPECIALLY THEIR MOTHERS,since none of our fathers got the blessing from God to conceive, carry to term and deliver a baby.So we love and,respect our mothers.
Who is asking for a scientific proof with D.N.A.test.? none. But if any body wants to check their D.N.A.they will let you know.It is always better think well before jumbing in to conclusions. Remember a" Bull" can not deliver a calf. Only the cow has that previlage.All of us human being are rich with good brain and thoughts,but diversify some times to wrong directions.
I am not here to prove or argue about any body or any thing.This blog is now getting controled by evil spirit.
This is my last respods to you all.GOOD BYE.
Sorry to see you leaving, Josephine. You used to make this forum lively with both sense and nonsense.
DeleteIt is so easy to agree with people with your own views. You need to be a true Christian to get along with people with different views. Remember, the 12 disciples of Jesus were not a bunch of “Yes-Men.” There were lot of differences of opinion and some of them frequently questioned Jesus. Our Madam Josephine might call it evil spirit.
To be able to respect an opinion different from ones own is the mark of civilisation, Madam. If you are serious about leaving, at least some of us here might say, “Good Riddance!”
Best of luck.
Just like worrying about the family and relatives, worrying about the community also is only natural, especially for the Knanaya because, unlike most others, they preserved a tradition and heritage for so many centuries.
ReplyDeleteFor producing the offspring father has an equal role as of the mother. Of course, mother has other special roles. But not to forger that without the father, the mother cannot conceive. So the father's role cannot be belittled.
this does not make any sense, the best thing is you chethalil and the Mr,Anony share your phone number and do converse/debate/argue about these thing in private,that way we are not destined to read all these crap.First time I heard of Kna classification as black and white kna. and Who are you? "Knaral Marx', get yourself educated before vomiting these absurdity in public, good it is anonymous otherwise you would have be ridiculed, Lord have mercy..
ReplyDeleteAnd my dear researcher, go suck some DNA from the living bishops first and make sure they are 'Pure Knas' the common 'Saada' knas comes second. is santhosh pandit Kna? you talk like him. you couldnt find any subject to do a PhD!!I strongly doubt you even have a college degree! some people might buy it. what a shame !
Jose Florida.
I agree, its time for Anonymous & Josephine to talk out the differences over phone or in person, but keep the blog mature. Mrs. Josephine is the one who has guys, the MR.Anonymous is a week fellow for still being hidden. She has published her number many times. If you are brave give her a call without blocking your caller id. Learn to me a Man.
DeleteI conclude here If your brother or sister love and marry from non-knanaya the moment kna sabha remove them from the religion they were born and grown up with you. Because of this rigid system family also divide and treat the non-kna brother and his wife very badly. When kna sabha remove your brother or sister still you support the sabha and not protest against sabha for expelling your brother I am sure your blood and your brother's blood group is different and mother will be the same but the father will be different. Otherwise if you are own brother same blood , loved and played and grown up together you will fight against that stupid law. My brother was removed from kna but he does not care he is highly educated IT engineer and he does not believe in GOD. I fight because we both have only one father and mother. That is the big difference between me with other kna brothers who voted Yes for sabha and bishop kunnassery for their all the holy sex activities. We all should understand our great leader EMS came out from his religion and fight against his religion's bad system and un-touchability and temple entrance of SC/ST but the brahmin community expelled EMS and they "padi adachu pindam vachu". But later EMS was the first CPM CM came to power through election in 1957. Later all world accepted EMS as one of the most intelligent genius of the world. We know Pope was nowhere near to EMS compare to the intelligent. Soviet Union accepted EMS as genius . I mean religion always remove the excellent smart people who fight against the bad activities of the religion. Now you say we all kna are one family and the generation of kna Thomman and there is no poor black/White difference. But the moment any one find partner from other catholic you turn to be the very dangerous monster. How can you say we all are one family loving and helping each other. We know any time you betray your own brother and sister and support Sabha. If bishop order you to stab your own brother and sister you will do from behid. That is the power and strength of churches and bishops and doing all the sex activities. In Uzhavoor college lots of kna educated staff retired as aged staff or maximum head clerk where as one night security Goorka became suprendentant just after seeing holy sex. I know none of you have courageous to question that.because you were trained to be slave to sabha since your childhood. You cannot change that.. If kna continue this attitude all the non-kna people decide not to touch kna for anything.
ReplyDeleteFirst learn to respect and admire your sister in-law and her family and every non-kna for who they are and what they are. Then they will start admiring and respecting the Knanaya community. The real problem with our community are people like you who discriminate their non-kn in-laws.
DeleteWhat a HYPOCRITE you are! Read what you wrote "When kna sabha remove your brother or sister still you support the sabha and not protest against sabha for expelling your brother I am sure your blood and your brother's blood group is different and mother will be the same but the father will be different." Just because the brothers have different opinion, you are concluding that their fathers may be different.
Now your say that "My brother was removed from kna but he does not care he is highly educated IT engineer and he does not believe in GOD. I fight because we both have only one father and mother". How can you both have one father and the others who have difference of opinion have two fathers? And your brother doesn't even believe in God and you still believe you two have the same father? And you expect others to keep him in the Kna community or even to endanger the Knanaya community for people like your brother! Your brother is far more superior than you. He leave the community alone and is minding his business. You talk as if your brother is the only highly educated IT engineer in Kna community or even in the world. No wonder he choose to stay away from people like you.
There were many people who married outside the Knanaya community since AD 345. Nobody demanded to stop the practice until now. But the community sustained. One doesn't need the Knanaya community for their lively-hood, including us, your brother and all others outside the Kna community. So they can choose whatever they want.
DeleteJust because my brother or sister got married outside doesn't mean that we shouldn't respect my sister in-law or brother in-law or their families. Not only Knas but anyone who is marrying outside their community, Muslims,Hindus, Tamilians, Malayalees etc., also gets the same treatment and they were willing to withstand these types of 'discrimination' before they got married.
Those who are smart moves on with their lives and those who are not, are the ones whining. Do they complain when they are removed from their holy places for marrying outside their religion?
Your brother is smart. He didn't share his knowledge with you, that all these practices (Religions, casts, priests, Bishops etc,.) are created by humans for their own benefits. Go and ask him.
I wonder what we are discussing here!
DeleteHave we not deviated miles away from where we started? It is a pity that we have such frogs living in the Knanaya pond and hate his brother's wife because she is not Kna. He is the type of people our priests would be happy to have. Such ignorance in 21st century! God, is he sane?
Is he sure of his paternity?
My brother lost the believe in religion and the gods and saints when he was expelled from Kna. He does not want to go to other community because all his life he spent in Kna. So decided to continue as e theist so nobody will insult him or discriminate or separate his family. Only people say he become communist. So he thought that is better label so kna people do not have courage to discriminate him in our villages. Our area is kna pocket. So many real things you do not know. I can tell you one other incidents in my own family. One couple wife non-kna black and husband kna-white when that lady was pregnant the husband's family were praying and offering to GOD to get white child. I will say her luck God listened and accepted kna family's prayer and offering finally they got white child. Just think that child was black with her shape. Do you think that kna family will love that child? Did you hear the speech of Prof. Thomaskutty in this vedio section?. Thomaskutty said kna are milk and others are water do not mix. If that educated man is thinking and talking that style then you can imagine how badly all the kna families behaving non-kna poor ladies living in their houses. When EMS realized about his religion he left that religion and faught against that religion's fudel mentality because he was intelligent. Unfortunately kna do not have that many intelligent smart people. Main reason we do not have choice we have to follow our pattern "dum kna marry another dum kna they will have dummest kna kids" so our generation is always under the control of priests. The day will come priests will control our wife also. It is already happening.
DeleteDear Anonymous August 4, 2012 5:18 PM, It is not the matter of different opinion. Please try to understand English and answer. Someone try to eliminate your brother from your community or house if you laugh and support those evil elements then that shown you and your brother were not born single father with same blood group. For example can you try to take the kidz animal or birds or snake from their Nest. Those parents animals will bite you and fight very badly they do not care their life also. Kna do not have that common sense or spirit that our animals have. Do you understand Mr. World Intelligent Kna?.
Delete"dum kna marry another dum kna they will have dummest kna kids". You are talking about yourself? Count others out please.
DeleteDidn't your highly educated, intelligent brother knew that he will be expelled if married outside Kna? Didn't he knew that Kna is only a culture and that one does not have to go to a Kna church to reach heaven?
Why your intelligent smart brother wants back into 'your' so called "dum kna" community along with your "dummest kna kids" ??
Dear AnonymousAugust 5, 2012 4:22 AM, based on new Kna generation and comparing with non-kna including hindu, muslim generation this is the general talk among kna in kerala. "dum kna marry another dum kna they will have dummest kna kids". These days it is very difficult find a educated intelligent kidz in Kna mainly in Kottayam area.
DeleteYes my brother knew but he wanted educated partner. So he thought about better intelligent generation than some dum salves to sabha.
He does not want to come back. But I am against kicking my own brother from the community we both were born and grown up. I told you we have only one father and same blood. Not like you.
Should admire Mrs Josephine for using her name behind her opinion. how many other Knanaya women showed the courage or even showed some interest in community issues?
ReplyDeleteGiving up is not the answer chachy. Think from both perspective and show the willingness to respect the other opinion. Just ignore the unworthy ones. You won't be able to stay away from this discussion because you are a person who like the community. So please continue as an ANONYMOUS as you have lot of time with you.
This is about one of the Anonymous commentator who for the last 2 weeks has been contributing a lot of uncivilised crap. By the looks of it its a KANA guy. Most like the so called kana leader from Chicago.
ReplyDeleteDear lost Brother, i have a few things to tell you politely this time.
a) We Knanaya men and women are like on big family whoa re fighting with each other for few reasons. This is our family fight within our family space. We are all still one big family inspite of all our differences and many disagreements.
b)The two sides of the family agree with more than 95% of issues concerning our sub-culture within the Zyro Malabar sabha but disagree on about 5% of issues which is mainly around membership to lost brothers like you. We are basically trying to debate, argue, discuss, comment, fight in an attempt to find some solutions within our space that is workable in the current internataional circumstances.
c) During this past few weeks you are behaving like an uninvited distant relative who has entered our taravadu, eating our food, sleeping amongst us and we were fine with that. But now you are behaving like an uncultured guest who is critisising the hostessess meals, trying to act like a big fellow in front of others with your worthless openions, foul languages and rotten examples. Your stay on an an uninvited guest with the loudest mouth and baddest attitude is over here. We thank you for your openions and suggestions so far. Now let us family members continue our debates and diagrements amonst outselves
d) If you have anything to say be a man and go create your own kana blog and say whatever you want. Nobody from here will bother you. If you invite us then we can occationally come by and drop our suggestions and openions too. Now go to your house, your side of the fence. We will manage our house here.
Dear Mr. AnonymousAugust 5, 2012 5:57 AM
DeleteWhen I said just two scenarios immediately you assumed I am the knaya leader from Chicago. Have you heard? "assume is assool". You may be talking about the real incidenst happend in your city. I never said something similar happend in Chicago. All I said two scenarios and if that happend what will kna sabha will do? Thank you assuring that I am Kna person because of some similar incidents happend in Chicago. Can you please what was that two incidents happend in your city?
a. Family problems are everywhere. Issues will come and go. That make us different from animals. That is not the subject here.
b. We can keep our culture but we cannot claim that we are pure royal blood.
When I made that claim one lower caste person spit on my face. In our village some couple of kna youth look exactly like other community person and all the local peple know the truth. How can we kna claim that we are pure royal blood not a mix? Do not get violated. Please try to understand the situation. World is changed, peple changed, morality changed, method of love changed you are still living in 18th century that is not my fault.
c. Yes. You are original typical kottayam based kna. Your sister, brother and parents must be very careful eating food from your house. If they do not praise your wife then you will turn as Zambie against your own people and suck their blood. I agree that is part of typical kna culture.My dearest mother struggeld lot from one of my own brother and later passed away.
Only kna cares family name but in modern countries nobody valuate person based on his family name. Be a modern and give importance to individual. For example if you are the first cousin of bishop and you do not have good character we will treat you as dogs. That is happening in Kna now. Before it was not like this close relativies of priest and bishop were treated with special respect eventhough they are dum and no social value.
d. This site become so hot and important becasue people like me started revealing some truths in Kna families. I know if this media or I reveal my identity then all you religious monsters may plan to kill me and my family.
This is all world kna discussion forum getting so famous now that is because all of our great contributions and debate. We should publish this great site to other kna people to put their opinions also. If this media is putting the comments only people like you and that is the prayer to bishop kunnassery and Sister Steffy do you think any modern intelligent kna people will visit this site?
In my college life i stayed with hindu and muslim friends they are my best friends so I do not have any kind of religious spirit like you have even though I was born and brought up in Kna.
Chetten "olapampu kanichu pedipikathe" chetten's abhiprayangel ettite mindathe erikuka jangel marupadi thannu kollam.
Re: " We Knanaya men and women are like on big family whoa re fighting with each other for few reasons. This is our family fight within our family space. We are all still one big family inspite of all our differences and many disagreements."
DeleteHey KANA,
Sr Abhaya was killed; it is the internal matter of our big knanaya family. Prof Thresiamma said some thing about "our archbishop" (not about yours, mind you). It is the internal matter of our big knanaya family. Our ancestors including our beloved Knai Thommen married native Indians and fathered you, KANAs. It is our internal matter. You keep off, even though our own historians say that Knai Thomman married natives and so, by definition, he was not knanaya. Everything is our knanaya family's internal matter.
Now AnonymousAugust 7, 2012 2:31 AM is correct. If non-kna lower cast make sex with kna lady then you will look after that kidz like St. Joseph it is your problem not that lower cast men's problem.
DeleteYou said Sr. Abhaya was killed that was kna's internal problem then why other community police and doctors validating kna lady's vergin back and forth again and again? You will say that is the process of becoming Saint. Every single kna knew Prof. Thressiama is 100 % correct about the holy sex of Kunnassery. You are right that is our internal matter it is his sabha he can screw any lady. You are the original dum kna who is always ready to kiss the ass of rich people and religious leaders.
My father said our history was one brahmin ellam converted into knaya sabha. But you are claiming foreigner knaya thomman screwd native SC/ST and your old generation was born and then finally you were born that is the reason you want to keep that foreigner's paithrikam as proud of pure royal blood. If you tell any Americans that there is a religion in India all are pure royal blood then immediately American will ask are they human being? Do American scientist know about that special type of livings? New generation intelligent kna will never talk this kind of foolishness. Only non-educated migrated dum kna will claim but those people will not mingle or talk with standard Americans. Only kna getting some value in America after some IT kna started coming to America. I remember some years back kna people invited me to come for kna malayalam mass and they gave me the address of one big American church. I reached there I was surprised and so excited to see such a big church I was new to America. But at 4 PM kna mass started at the car shed of that big church. I was so disappointed after that incident I never gone for kna malayalam mass. Old migrated kna has lots of inferiority complex. They think those christians out side India are more pure than them. That is the reaosn kna are trying to get their pithrikam.
If everything is kna's internal matter then why you are praying to Jesus and Saints they do not belong to Kna. Why can't we have separate god from our kna only.
Why can't we make Sister Steffy as our only God and pray to her and use the holy symbol two big arrows pointing to one dirty big pond instead of holy cross?.
We all can have linga pooja of our super man.
We shoot on our foot and talikg like small kid in the block.
This is the request of one original kna me you are most welcome to put your suggestion.
e) You had many saracastic comments about the just concluded KCCNA convention.Point noted. Now please show some marbles and conduct a kana convention if you can.
ReplyDeletef) A legacy of a person or group of people is based on what they created. Not what they distroyed. Knanaites in America and all over the world have so many association, churches, missions, many many sub organisations within the churches and associations, blogs, websites, newsletters, koodarayogams, conventions etc. The Syro Malabar also has many many such wondersful creations.
What long lasting creations do you have?
What is your associations legacy?
NOTHING
g)You have introduced the rich/poor black/white bulshit into the conversations lately. You have also predicted a revolt. So why don't you start the revolt by finding a poor, uneducated black girl for your eligible son? Since you do not have the limitations like we knanaya people do, your choices are limitless. So why don't you start by practicing what your preach. Taste your own medicine before prescribing it to others.
h) You have also mentioned examples of adultry, two examples of unethical relationships in Chicago (which i have no clue about since i'm not from there and don't care to enquire about) parents of poor balck knas in kerala not finding relations etc etc. None of these examples are unique to Knanaites and relevant to the topics being debated. These garbage examples are universal and common to each and every socieites in the world. On the contrary your chicago examples was a clearly dirty strategy to rekindle and revive old stories amongst people and throw dirt on those familes who were involved. You have no right to tarnish personal reputations in such public forums you loose tounge. You sound very sure such examples are not found anywhere else right?
Dear AnonymousAugust 5, 2012 6:13 AM
Deletee.f. All I said against our pure royal blood claim infront of other community who knew the local incidents.
g. You believe it or not situation of poor balck Kna people are very bad in villages they are not getting partners and parents are rigid followers of Kna system. These poor popel are rejected very much everywhere. All I requesting you to change the hard law let poor popel also tast the sex and family like we enjoy everyday.
h.You have to read the comments carefully. I was answering with two different scenarios to the Anonymous who is from Chicago. I never said anywhere that two incidents happend in Chicago. Immediatly this Chicago Kna person determined I am the leader of chicago kna group and I am origianl kna. That means I am not wrong similar things happening in many places. So you please ask that Chcago Kna what was that two incidents in his city Chicago. I am sure Chicago perosn is original Kna and he knew what is going on in Kna.
So allow us to continue our arguments and conversations about issues facing us and stop your side show. In other words just shut your trap up and get lost you uninvited jerk.
ReplyDeletek) You keep pointing about impure blood, DNA, thatippukna etc. You keep saying that the kna blood is mixed from Knai Thoman onwards. Which means that there are no Kna's for the last many centuries only Kanas. Since this is your argument, the kana community must be a big and huge community. In other word you are saying that only kanas ever existed.
Well fine then, we are eagerly awaiting for a kana convention, kana blog, hopefully kana chruches with kana priests, kana diocese etc. Until then we kna's will continue on our journey trying to fight between ourselves till we can find a solution. You are part of the problem, difently not part of the solution.
You have a lot of work ahead in your side of the fence to build the kana leagacy by building something. Don't sit around and advise us how to plow the field like a lazy cousin. You go and plow your field and build kana landmarks if you can. So go ahead and get busy elsewhere.
Peace be with you Brother!
Today sunday I called some of my kna attorney friends in Kerala and asked about എന്ടോഗമസ് (Endogomy). They said that will be 100% successful and we can claim pure blood if that had implemented fully and correctly. But sabha could not. I asked what you mean? I think they were in little good mood. They said we should have locked all the loop holes and given the key to the local priest and priest should give the hint to original kna husband how to find that loop hole. I do not know what is that loop hole. Attorneys always use legal terms.
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Dear Friends, Today I saw Surya news two brothers they are blind and very very poor. Most of the days they do not have any thing to eat. Their only income is to go to near houses and passukele karakkel anne. Their dream to buy one cow. please help them. Let them have more cows. Please send money to S. Geethakumari, S.B.T. Pravachambalam Branch A/C No. 67183649016. I appreciate your great mind.
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