''ക്നാനായ സമുദായം മാറ്റത്തിന്റെ വഴിത്തിരിവില്''എന്ന ശീര്ഷകത്തില് ശ്രീ. ജോസഫ് മുല്ലപ്പള്ളി 2012ഏപ്രില് ലക്കം സ്നേഹസന്ദേശത്തില് എഴുതിയ ലേഖനത്തിനുള്ള പ്രതികരണം. അവസാന ഭാഗം. ഇന്നലെ പ്രസധീകരിച്ചതിന്റെ തുടര്ച്ച. - മോഡറേറ്റര്
കുടുംബത്തിന്റെ അംഗത്വം സംബന്ധിച്ച് - കാനായ്ക്കൊപ്പം 'കുടുംബ'ത്തിനും അംഗത്വം നല്കണമെന്ന് ആവശ്യപ്പെടുന്ന ലേഖകന്, 'Knanaya Catholics.... will continue in their Knanaya missions along with their (non - Knanaya) spouses and children'' എന്നതാണു സത്യമെന്ന് മാര് മൂലക്കാട്ടിനെ തിരുത്തി പ്രസ്താവനയിറക്കാന് മാര് അങ്ങാടിയത്തിനോട് ആവശ്യപ്പെടാത്തതെന്ത്? ആ കാര്യം നടക്കാന് അങ്ങിനെയൊരു പ്രസ്താവന മാത്രം പോരേ?! അങ്ങിനെയൊന്ന് ഇറക്കിയില്ലങ്കില് ജനം എന്താണു മനസ്സിലാക്കുക? ഇരുവരും ചേര്ന്നുള്ള തീരുമാനപ്രകാരമാണ് രണ്ടുപേരും വ്യത്യസ്ഥങ്ങളായ പരസ്യനിലപാട് എടുത്തത് എന്നല്ലേ?!
സഭ സാര്വ്വത്രികം - 'ക്നാനായ' പ്രത്യേകമായി നിലനിര്ത്തിയാലും, സ്വയാധികാരസഭകള് ചേര്ന്നുള്ള കത്തോലിയ്ക്കാസഭ സാര്വ്വത്രികമല്ലാതാവുമോ?
അയല്ക്കാരനെ സ്നേഹിക്കുക - ക്നാനായസമുദായം എക്കാലവും അയല്ക്കാരെ സ്നേഹിച്ചും, ഉള്ക്കൊണ്ടും, അംഗീകരിച്ചും തന്നെയാണ് നിലനിന്നു പോരുന്നത്. 'കാനാ'ക്കാരനോടും സ്നേഹക്കുറവില്ല. അവന് സഹോദരന് തന്നെ. ക്നാനായ ഇന്സ്റ്റിട്യുഷനുകളില് അംഗത്വം ആവശ്യപ്പെടുന്ന കാനാക്കാരനുമായി മാത്രമേ സമുദായത്തിനു പ്രശ്നമുള്ളൂ.
(അവസാനിച്ചു)
എക്സിക്യൂട്ടീവ് മെമ്പര്, ക്നാനായ ഫെലോഷിപ്പ്,
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Published by
Knanaya Fellowship President
Dominic Savio Vachachirayil
Mob. 944 614 0026
email : pulimavu@yahoo.in
ചേട്ടന് മാരെ വെറുതെ ആ മുല്ലപ്പള്ളി ജോസെചെട്ടന് ന്റെ മുകളില് കുതിര കേറേണ്ട , പുള്ളി 26 വര്ഷം മുമ്പ് തന്ന പണിയുടെ ക്ഷീണം ഇനിയും വിട്ടു മാറിയിട്ടില്ല , പുള്ളിയുടെ അടുത്ത പണിക്ക് കോട്ടയത്തുള്ള പിടിവള്ളി പോലും പോട്ടിയെന്നിരികും .
ReplyDeleteഅതുകൊണ്ട് വെറുതെ ഇനിയും വടി കൊടുത്തു അടി വാങ്ങാന് നോക്കേണ്ട .. ഉള്ളത് കൊണ്ട് ഓണം പോലെ ... just remember that .....
പിന്നെ ക്നാനായ ക്കാരെന്റെ പൊതുവേ യുള്ള പ്രശ്നം , ഈ അല്പന് ഐശ്വര്യം കിട്ടുമ്പോള് ഉള്ള ഒരു ego ... ഈ പ്രശ്ന മെല്ലാം നമ്മുടെ അടുത്ത തലമുറ ശരിയാക്കി തരും ....ജാഗ്രതെ
Is there a by-law for the existence of Kottayam Dioces? If there is, is it based on endogamy? If that is true, is there a signed record of any reuests made by the Bride or Groom who wished to marry outside the community? As far as I know, the father of the bride or groom had requested for that and all of us know that that is valid only if the Bride or Groom is a minor. You all accuse Jose Mullapally for wanting to return. Then show when he left. He married his wife as an adult. And Kottayam dioces records will not show a signed document by Jose that he wants to leave the dioces. As stated above, Jose had and has reacted to foolish accusations. Don't make him or people like him who has far superior thinking capacity, go after the dioces in Kottayam and loose what we have.
ReplyDeleteWith the exogamous marriage, a knanite spontaneously finds his way out of the Community. That is the tradition and hence the knanaya law. Knanaya has no written laws, but only traditions which dictate its laws. So no signed document is needed to prove that he is no more a part of the Community.
ReplyDeleteWith that attitude, you don't have an endogamous Kna Church anywhere outside Kerala. In the US, Mullapally and and other exogamous families are members of the so called Kna Churches and you can't do a damn thing about it!
ReplyDeleteOnly Mar Moolakatt, Angadiath and Mutholath calls them to be 'Kna' Churches. But the Community is never going to approve or consider them to be so! They are only 'KANA' parishes and not kna parishes because KANAs are not members of the Community. Only the Community members could be members in the kna parishes as per tradition!
ReplyDeleteRegarding membership of KANA families, His Eminence Archbishop Mar Moolakatt himself clearly stated to Mr Jose at his famous Chicago speech that he/ Kottayam Diocese will not approve Mar Angadiath's assurance to Mr. Cyriac Parathara that the KANA's spouse and children will be members in the knanaya parishes! So the KANA families are not members there, which Mr. Mullappally too knows!
Will Bishop Angadiath agree to what Mar Moolakatt said regarding KANA membership in church? This is the clarification that KCCNA has asked of Chicago Bishop more than 3 months ago. Till date neither Bishop Angadiath nor VG Mutholam has said a single word weather they agree or disagree with Bishop Moolakatts stand on KANA membership. Why are they remaining silent? Because silence hides the lies, silence keeps truth in the dark.
DeleteIn this regard, i have higher respect for Bishop Moolakattu since at least he sincerely voiced his openion, weathter we agree with him or not. Atleast he spoke his heart and we as a community should support and respect that.
He is a BRAVE MAN to voice his openion to his community. Unfortunately i cannot say the same about VG and Bishop Angady.
Mar Moolakat says in the same speech that Kottayam diocese has no jurisdiction outside of Kerala. (Please listen to Mar Moolakat's famous Chicago speech carefully. This may still be in Youtube) So who needs his approval? Mullapally is a member as it stands and you are screwed....
ReplyDeleteWhatever Moolakatu said in his Chicago speech has no value because he does not have any authority outside Kottayam. His statement does not have the value of the paper it is written on. It has its place in the waste paper basket. At Chicago Angadiyath is the bishop, not Moolkattu.
ReplyDeleteBishops won't lie
ReplyDeleteCould you imagine that these Godly men Bishops could be liars ?! Impossible!!! So, you could take for granted Mar Moolakkat's words.
In spite of KCCNA's request for clarification, when Mar Angadiath did not deny Mar Moolakatt's claim that the KANA families will not be members, it goes without saying that he agrees with Mar Moolakkatt. That's the only logical conclusion, instead of thinking that Mar Moolakkat was hiding facts! After all, he is not an ordinary lay man, but an Arch Bishop who has to be committed to truth only.
What Mar Moolakkat boldly declared is not his personal opinion, but the real position. As he has no personal jurisdiction over the knanites outside the Kottayam Diocese, he cannot make such a declaration at Chicago against the opinion to the Chicago Bishop. After the famous Chicago speech of Mar Moolakkat, till today, Mar Angadiath didn't utter a single word against the 'Moolekkatt formula' of membership! So, the only logical assumption is that Mar Angadiath, at least now, agrees with Mar Moolakkat, in spite of whatever he said before.
So the KANAs only, and not their families, are members in the Knanaya named 'KANA' parishes outside the Kottayam Diocese!
who says bishops dont lie!
DeleteMoolakat says Kaanas only r mbrs. Angadith says their families too r!
Either of the two only can b truth.
Anybody know who is telling truth? Moolakatt? Any idea? I wants to know fact.
that means if Mar Angadiath is the final authority for all syro malabar catholics including Knanaya catholics in USA. He has repeatedly announced that no knanaya person can be removed from the kna churches for exogamous marriage.he has also announced that he can not (split the family)see the family as two entity.Finally he has given in writing that all the members of KANA families will continue as parishioners in kna churches.
DeleteCan anyone show any official written documents of any Knanaya church authority denying what Mar Angadiath has said so far.
In catholic church the final decisions are what is written not speeches.
whether you like it or not what Mar Angadiath said is final.
It was in 2003 Mar Angadiath clarified to Mr Cyriac Parathara that the KANA families too are members.
DeleteBut even after so much hue and cry with the announcement of the 'Moolakatt Formula' at Chicago (and in spite of requesting several times by the KCCNA), could you say, why Mar Angadiath doesn't clear the doubts in the minds of several faithful, regarding the actual position of the membership in the 'KANA' parishes?!! Even when he is claimed to be the final authority, is he not brave enough to reiterate at least by an announcement his written position, against what Mar Moolakatt said?!
What does it mean? It should be that what Mar Moolakat says is the truth. Otherwise, what is the harm in Mar Angadiath clarifying his written position at least by an announcement, when the position of the bishops are different?! Thus, it could have been taken, what Mar Angadiath said is final. That way, he could save his credibility!
How the Knanaya bishop, who has no jurisdiction at Chicago, can issue a written document denying what Mar Angadiath says, when you claim him to be the final authority?!
To take what Mar Angadiath said to be final, he is not saying / clarifying anything now regarding the membership!
Finally someone agrees that KANA members are members of the Kna Church (Even though Mar Moolakat said that their families are not). This is a diviation from the statement made above on June 19th, that is ".....he is no more a part of the community". My point is, no matter who says what, including statements made by Bishop(s) or not made by them, KANA members are part of the church and therefore members of the community.
ReplyDeleteKANA members are part of which community?? Sorry - Not the Knanaya community. But since they do not want to whole heartily embrace the Syro Malabar community, they don't belong in that community too.
DeleteMuthu and Angady might eventually give you a piece of paper that says KANA is part of Knanaya church, but don't make the automatic connection that you are "therefore members of the community".
The ownership of the Community belongs to every KNANAYA member. The conditions of being member to that community has been laid down centuries ago. So deal with it!!
What is said on 19 Jun stands correct. That's the Community law, which nobody has the authority to change. The exogamous cannot be part of the Community.
ReplyDeleteAgainst the Community law, even if the Church allows KANA membership, that is the reason why, the so called 'kna' parishes automatically becomes 'KANA' parishes!
As per membership criteria of Mar Moolakatt, outside Kottayam Diocese there are no 'kna' parishes, but only 'KANA' parishes, even if he calls it 'KNA'! So KANAs are members only in 'KANA' parishes.
Church having given membership in a 'KANA' parish, doesn't make a KANA the part of the Knanaya community. Even if he is given membership in a real KNA parish in Kottayam Diocese, a KANA doesn't become part of the Community. Because only the members of the Community is expected to be given membership in a kna parish, a KANA in a kna parish will be only a misfit and can never be a part of knanaya!
What community? Bunch of pranchis and arrogant alcoholics who goes about saying Bishops and priests do not control the ethnicity? Wake up pranchis!! You may be living in a dream world.
DeleteOstracizing an exogamous person took effect only in the 1950s. Does any one know how it was handled before 1950s? Your forefathers can be non knanaya too!!All of the above are good for arguments only. As it stands KANA members are members of the Kna churches in the US. When that rule changes, the above arguments can become facts. Otherwise live with it....
ReplyDeleteIf KANAs are members even of a Kna parish, they are not part of the Community because the Community law cannot be changed anywhere in the world!
ReplyDeleteFor his own self relief a KANA can only imagine himself to be a member in kna Community based on the logic that he has been illegally given membership in a kna parish! Unfortunately, no such logic can make him a part of the Community!
Knanaya community is a bunch of alcoholics and idiots (including me). If any of us had any sense, do you think we will be in such dilema to have exogamus members part of the knanaya church? All the blogs about the community shows the level of idotism the writing members have. Just do the right things.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the Community members do not have any 'dilemma to have exogamus members part of the knanaya church'.
DeleteUnfortunately, the Knanaya Bishop alone is having dilemma. That is the real tragedy of the Community!!
Nobody other than its own Bishop could damage the Community. The clergy along with the bishop seems to be on the side of the exogamous!!!
Now a group of people who worked tirelessly with these Bishops and Priests to create exogamous churches in USA are coming together to "PROTECT and SAFEGAURD' Knanayaism in Chicago. Hahahaha - what a joke.... What Jokers.
DeleteAll these BullS*** started in Chicago. So now let us see what the Knanaya community in Chicago is going to do about the future of Chicago KCS. You get what you deserve. You get what you ask for. So YOU decide or go get drunk and keep complaining.
All these talks are of no tenability because the very forefathers of those who support people like mullappally, made the rules for the knanaya community. Either we should accept that our forefathers were wrong or what we are now practising is right. Mullappally chose his life partner from outside the community, well aware of the knanaya traditions. Now he made some money and he could unfortunately control some betrayors of the community and he now thinks muthu's words are final in knanaya community. If he has any commonsense, he should accept the realities of life. He can never make a come back as a true knanaya member and if he thinks that he can make a backdoor entry, he is living in a fool's paradise. The loyal and legal knanaya members are never going to make his come back an easy one. He will have no self respect among the true knanaya community. Realising the facts of life could be the easier way for him to live in dignity, thereby leaving knanaya community alone.
ReplyDeleteYes, Mullappally thinks Muthus words are final in Knanaya communty. But so does Bishop Angadiath, many Pranchiyettans, many Knanaya priests in USA and finally even the Bishop of Kottayam thinks Muthus word is final. They all consult to Muthu for his blessings. So finally Muthu also is thinking that he is the final word on Knanayism. We should all work to award him as the PROTECTOR OF KNANAYISM.
DeleteClassic story of the "Tail-wagging-the-Dog".
No matter who says what (see all of the above), if the Kottayam dioces and the faithful of the dioces report to Rome, then the rescript of 1986 by Rome prevails. Whoever stated above against that can live with it, because all of us are bound to obey Rome's ordinances. So stop crying about it or making statements that Knanaya is exclusive....To the illiterate mass out there, Rome has made corrections in the past and has now corrected the mistake they made regarding the establishment of the Kottayam Dioces. Only option for those who do not like Rome's rescript is to abandon....
DeleteYes, Vatican’s decisions are arrived at by the arrogance of senile Cardinals & Co. Once they take a decision, they are obstinate like mules. No Catholic bishop would like to leave the Catholic Church because they are bestowed with power that is not available in any other church. If you have any sense of history, you will know that once Vatican has taken a decision, dogs can bark, but they won’t bunch an inch.
ReplyDeleteSo, the naïve Knas have only one option: leave Kottayam and migrate to Chingavanam. Let Moolan & Pandaram be the bosses of Mullappallies....
Any takers?
Non-knanites, including Rome, cannot make rules for the knanaya Community! If made, the knanites have no obligation to obey them. They are bound to obey Rome only in the matters of faith, religion etc.
DeleteIf the American knanites have the guts to abandon the KANA churches and join Latin or even the other SM parishes, they can save the Community. The church can't do anything about it!
Then they need not migrate to Chingavanam.